MR. GREGORY:
Let me get onto a couple of other things here that are also interesting issues. The other speech the president planned to give on Tuesday was an education speech to students coming back from their
summer break
, and he wanted to talk about studying hard. We brought it up with
David Axelrod
. Well, this has created such a firestorm. Here's the
New Canaan Public Schools
, writing a parent letter, and in it they say this."In developing their plans our principals have considered issues such as developmental appropriateness, curricular relevance, the time at which the speech is being broadcast and the importance of teachers assuming responsibility for the selection of instructional materials. In
elementary schools
the administration and faculty will view the speech, download it and after discussing it, make decisions regarding how it might be used in the future -- including deciding its appropriateness for various
grade levels
. Parents will be notified, if and when, the decision to show the speech is made."
Tom Brokaw
, talk about tortured language. What's going on here?
MR. FRIEDMAN:
Signs of the apocalypse. I mean, really.
MR. BROKAW:
It's stunning to me. I come from a time and a place in
America
where it would be thrilling to have a president of the
United States
address your
school
about the importance of studying and staying in
school
. And this president, whatever else you think about his
political philosophy
, is a symbol of working hard, coming from difficult circumstances and getting to where he is in part because of education. I think it's so ripe for satire, it's unbelievable. The superintendent of the
Gettysburg Public School System
said today that they have devised a plan for students to be shielded from a
President Abraham Lincoln
who will be coming to make an address. Look, that is the most tortured thing I can possibly imagine, what we just read there. It sounds like
East Germany
trying to form some restrictions on people leaving the eastern sector to go into the western sector. I think it's perfectly appropriate for parents to say, "I don't want my child to hear that. I would rather keep them out or put them in a different
school
that day." But this is completely out of control, in my judgment. And it's not -- it's not partisan. I mean, if -- when I was a student or when my children were in
school
...
MR. GREGORY:
Right.
MR. BROKAW:
...if it had been
Dwight Eisenhower
or
John Kennedy
or
Lyndon Johnson
or
Bill Clinton
or
Ronald Reagan
or
George Bush
, the idea of hearing a president of the
United States
saying we should study hard and that's how we advance and we all need to get in on, on this, I think is an appropriate message.
MR. GREGORY:
Mayor
Giuliani
, you ran for president and one of the things that I've noticed in my experience covering a Republican president,
George W. Bush
, is the lack of respect for the
institution of the presidency. Whether it's people saying during
Bush
's time, "Hey, he's not my president." Well, no, yes, he is. Does that trouble you?
MR. GIULIANI:
Yes, it does, and
Tom
is right. But the difference is we looked at
President Eisenhower
or
President Reagan
, even up to about that point, even President
Bush 41
differently. There's a lack of respect for the president, there's a lack of respect for politicians. And
David Axelrod
said, "Well, this isn't politics." Everything the president does nowadays is politics, for better or worse. And I think that's what you're seeing. You're seeing people distrust the president's motives or the administration's motives. It's not just about the speech, it's about the
lesson plan
. I think it's unfortunate and I think, you know, what's the -- it almost seems a shame to say what's the harm in a president speaking to a group of children.
FMR. REP. FORD:
I wish when I was in fourth...
MR. GIULIANI:
I think, I think the president should be given the opportunity to do it.
MR. GREGORY:
Governor
Pawlenty
of
Minnesota
,
Harold
, said, "Look, the only issue with this was it was uninvited." There's a sense that it's been kind of foisted on the schools. Is there any legitimate criticism? There were lesson plans that encouraged the students to write letters saying how they could help the president.
FMR. REP. FORD:
I traveled to
Afghanistan
in February of '02. We took with us letters from students in our own
congressional districts
. I was along with seven other members of
Congress
to deliver the students in
Afghanistan
. We asked them to do it. The -- we thought a clever and smart, an interesting way for kids to connect. I wish when I was in fourth grade the president of the
United States
-- when I was in fourth grade, it would've been
1978
or '79,
Jimmy Carter
was president. I wish in '82, when I was in seventh grade,
Reagan
would've come and said study hard, work hard, obey your teachers. If that's bad in
America
today...
MR. GREGORY:
Mm-hmm.
FMR. REP. FORD:
...we have worse problems than the president going into a, going into a
school
and speaking.
MR. GREGORY:
What...
MR. FRIEDMAN:
But
David
, you know, you said, it's a firestorm. And we live in the age of firestorms. You know, today, or this week, it's the president speaking in
school
. What it needs is for people to stand up and say that's flat out stupid, OK? That's flat out stupid what you're talking about. The president of the
United States
, addressing schoolchildren in this country to study hard, work hard because that's the way you advance in today's
global economy
. And instead of that, we kind of dance around it, you know. It's flat out stupid.
MR. GREGORY:
You talk about
Van Jones
as well, you know, the fact that in this, in this media age, what he said, by anybody's estimation, was objectionable, to sign a petition saying the government was behind 9/11. But it goes to something that's going on in this
information age
...
MR. FRIEDMAN:
David
, yeah...
MR. GREGORY:
...which is you can be a target real fast.
MR. FRIEDMAN:
David
, when everyone has a
cell phone
, everyone's a photographer. When everyone has access to
YouTube
, everyone's a filmmaker. And when everyone's a blogger, everyone's in newspaper. When everyone's a photographer, a newspaper and a filmmaker, everyone else is a
public figure
. Tell your kids, OK, tell your kids, OK, be careful. Every move they make is now a digital footprint. You are on "
Candid Camera
." And unfortunately, the real message to
young people
, from all of these incidents, OK, and I'm not here defending anything anyone said, but from all of these incidents, is you know, really keep yourself tight, don't say anything controversial, don't think anything -- don't put anything in print. You know, whatever you do, just kind of smooth out all the edges, and maybe you too -- you know, when you get nominated to be ambassador to
Burkina Faso
, you'll be able to get through the hearing.
MR. GREGORY:
OK.
MR. BROKAW:
Well, I've -- one of the things I've been saying to audiences is this question comes up a lot, and a lot of people will repeat back to me and take it as
face value
something that they read on the
Internet
. And my line to them is you have to vet information. You have to test it the same way you do when you buy an automobile or when you go and buy a new flat-screen television. You read the
Consumer Reports
, you have an idea of what it's worth and what the lasting value of it is. You have to do the same thing with information because there is so much disinformation out there that it's frightening, frankly, in a
free society
that depends on information to make informed decisions. And this is across the board, by the way. It's not just one side of the
political spectrum
or the other. It is across the board,
David
, and it's something that we all have to address and it requires society and political and cultural leaders to stand up and say, "this is crazy." We just can't function that way.
MR. FRIEDMAN:
You know,
David
, I just want to say one thing to pick up on
Tom's
point, which is the
Internet
is an open sewer of untreated, unfiltered information, left, right, center, up, down, and requires that kind of filtering by anyone. And I always felt, you know, when modems first came out, when that was how we got connected to the
Internet
, that every modem sold in
America
should actually come with a warning from the surgeon general that would have said, "judgment not included," OK? That you have to upload the old-fashioned way. Church, synagogue, temple, mosque, teachers, schools, you know. And too often now people say, and we've all heard it, "But I read it on the
Internet
," as if that solves the
bar bet
, you know? And I'm afraid not.
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