Potential predators adapt to recent stings

Some of the men who’ve come to our undercover houses over the years have come up with some pretty imaginative reasons for being there: like “I’m looking for work,” “I do blacktop sealing” and “I’m just driving around trying to learn the area again.”

And this next man’s excuse for showing up at our house in Long Beach, California, also ranks way up there… because he tells us he’s come for educational reasons.

Our encounter begins online when 29-year-old college student Farzad Kalantari—thinks he’s been chatting with a 12-year-old girl.

And it sure doesn’t sound like he’s talking about schoolwork...

thisplacesux_ihateit (chat transcript): we can talk on here

farzadboy2003: if you like sex

thisplacesux_ihateit: if i like sex???? i dont get what u mean

farzadboy2003: s*ck my **** and f*** u.

But then he tells her they would have sex.

farzadboy2003: do u have any coundom.

The decoy says no. Then Kalantari writes,

farzadboy2003: i must go shopping

Now he’s in the undercover house, introducing himself to the decoy. And then Chris comes out.

Chris Hansen (walks out): Hi, nice to meet you.  How are you?

Farzad Kalantari:  Good.  Fine.

Hansen: Good, please have a seat right over there. How old is the girl you were coming to see?

Kalantari: Is 14.

Hansen: Fourteen.

Kalantari: Yeah.

Hansen: That’s not what she told you on the Internet though.      -- you said 14, she says right here 12.

Kalantari: Oh.  Really?

Hansen: Yeah.

Kalantari: Ok, younger than this age.

Hansen: Younger than you said.

That’s when he tells us he’s not there for sex— he’s here to help her get ahead in school....

Kalantari:  -- you need to study, you need a good education.

Hansen: You came here to tell her that she should—

Kalantari: Yes.

Hansen: --be studying.

Kalantari:  Yes. Really.

Hansen: But you also seem to indicate, in this chat, that the education you wanted to give her was sex education.

Kalantari: No.

Hansen:  Did you forget what you talked about? Only once, that I can see in the transcript, did you talk about the importance of education.  And—

Kalantari:  No, I—I—

Hansen: Virtually everything else—talks about—taking a shower with her.  Having sex with her.

Hansen: “bleep my BLEEP and BLEEP you.”  That’s what you said.  That’s what you said you wanted to do.

Kalantari:  Ok, my English is not good, you know.  Now I speak with you and I’m Austria I—

Hansen: I’m sorry?

Kalantari: I’m—born in Austria.

Hansen: In Austria.

Kalantari:  Yeah, I’m not English is perfect.

Hansen: Right.  But that’s a pretty universal language right there.  “Blank my blank and blank you.”  That’s English—

Kalantari: Right.

Hansen: -- Do you know what that means?

Kalantari: Yeah.

Hansen: Yeah.  Ok.  So, why would you say that to a 12-year-old girl?

Kalantari: My mistake.  But I don’t like to do—

Hansen: Your mistake.

Kalantari tells me this is the first time he’s had a chat with an underage girl.  But I point out to him that, according to Perverted-Justice, he had a sexually-charged chat less than two weeks earlier  with a decoy who said she was under 14 years old.

Kalantari: Only just—chatting, you know.

Hansen: Right, but see, here’s the thing—what you said just a minute ago is not what you’re saying now. Do you have a condom with you?

Kalantari:  No.

Hansen: You don’t.  Do you have it in your car?

Kalantari:  No. Do you want to check my car?

Hansen: I didn’t say that.  I’m just asking you did you bring condoms.

Kalantari: No.  No.  No.

Hansen: Then why did you ask her if she had condoms here?

Kalantari:  Yeah, ok, only ask.

Hansen: Well, here is what you need to know. I’m Chris Hansen.

Kalantari: Is police?

Hansen: I’m not police. I’m with “Dateline” NBC and we’re doing a story on people—

Kalantari:  Oh.

Hansen: who—try to meet underage boys and girls online for sex.  So if there’s anything else you’d like to tell us—

Kalantari:  Sorry.  No, no.  bye.

Kalantari says goodbye to us, and hello to the Long Beach police.

At the processing center, Kalantari is distraught and says he’s thinking of killing himself. And unlike what he told us, police found condoms in Kalantari’s pocket. Later, Kalantari pleaded guilty to one count of an attempted lewd act upon a child.

Back at the house, 23-year-old Satinder Thind is pulling up in a fancy Infinity Coupe. He’s a loan consultant and lives in Long Beach, just about a mile from our undercover house.

sst83 (chat transcript): so how far have u gone with a guy

carlykicksbutt93: u meen like sex?

sst83: yea

carlykicksbutt93: i done sum stuff b4

In his online chat with a decoy who says she’s 13, Thind asks what sex acts she’s performed. He also says he’s concerned about her.

sst83: u know girls cant really process the emotion of sex till after 16 at the earilest

But later, Thind asks the girl if she wants to have sex. And he seems to be well aware that sex with a 13-year-old is against the law.

sst83: alot of things r illegal,

sst83: just gotta keep myself outta jail u know

But in the end, Thind says he wants the girl to perform oral sex on him, and that he will perform other sexual acts on her.

And now, he’s inside the house.

Decoy: So what do you want to do?

Thind: That’s a very good question. What’s in your drink?

Thind: So this is your hot tub.

Decoy: Yeah.

Hansen (walks out): This is the hot tub, but I’d like to you sit right over there on that stool for me please.  ...And why did you come here tonight?

Thind: Just to see her.

Hansen: Just to see who?

Thind: Carly.

Hansen: Carly. And how old is Carly?

Thind: 13.

Hansen: Thirteen. And how old are you?

Thind: 23.

Hansen: You don’t see a problem with that?

Thind: I do see a problem, yeah.

Hansen: And what’s the problem you see?

Thind: Well, I just came to say hi to her.

Hansen: You just came to say hi.

Thind: Yeah.

Hansen: But, in your conversation on the Internet, you talk about more than just coming over to say hi.

Thind: That wasn’t my intention. But if you see, in the conversation—

Hansen: Oh, I have the conversation… you seem to be counseling her that perhaps she’s too young to have sex.

Thind: Um hum

Hansen: But then the conversation sort of switches back around doesn’t it? Sort of like you’re the concerned older guy for a minute.  Trying to say, “Maybe you shouldn’t have sex.”  But then it transitions into, “Well, if you’re going to have sex, it might as well be with me.”  That’s kind of what you’re saying to her.

Thind: No, not at all.

Hansen: No?  Not at all? 

Thind: I wouldn’t—no, never.

Hansen (reading transcript): You say, “Yep, I knew it, you’re a horny little 13-year-old girl.”  You say, “I’m gonna lick you.”

Thind: Oh, I say that a lot.  that’s—

Hansen: You say that a lot?

Thind: Yeah.

Hansen: “I’m a gonna lick you.”  You say that a lot to 13-year-old girls?

Thind: No.

Hansen: She kept insisting that I come over. 

Hansen: So a 13-year-old girl controls your life.

Thind: No.

Hansen: --you see, what you’re saying then doesn’t make any sense.

Thind: Well, she kept saying she’s sad that I’m not coming.  So I just thought I’d come by, stop and say hi, and then leave.

Hansen: Here you talk about taking her for a ride in your car.  Do you think that’s ok to—stop by and pick up a 13-year-old girl who’s home alone and take her for a ride in your car?

Thind: I see where that has a little bit of problems, yeah.

Hansen: Little bit of a problem there.

And like some of the others, he also says he’s here, not for sex, but out of concern for the girl’s welfare.

Thind: Another reason I wanted to come by, stop by, is she’s 13, her mother’s out of town, I wanted to make sure everything’s ok, you know,

Hansen: So you were gonna baby-sit.  You’re just gonna check the locks on the doors? You’ve never met this girl before. 

Thind: um hum

Hansen: and here you are in this house, and you expect me to believe that you came over here just to check on the locks on the doors?

Thind: No, I came to check to make sure she’s okay, and just say hi.

Hansen: She’s ok. And just to say hi.

Thind: I still had someplace to go right now.  So I just came to stop by for a minute.

Hansen: And where are you going now?

Thind: I was going to my parents’ house.

Hansen: Your parents’ house?

Thind: Uh-huh (affirms).

Hansen: Alright, well, before you head off to your parents’ house, there’s something you need to know.

Thind: Ok.

Hansen:  And that is, I’m Chris Hansen with “Dateline NBC.”

Thind: um hum

Hansen: We’re doing a story on adults who try to meet kids online for sex. And if there’s anything else you want to say to me, we’d like to hear it.

Thind: That’s it.

His reaction?  We expected surprise—instead we got curiosity.

Thind: Can you notify and let me know if it’ll be on or not?

Hansen: If you—give me a call.

Thind: Okay.

Hansen: Alright.

Thind: Let me get your card.

Hansen: I don’t have a card with me, but I’ll write down the number.

Outside, the Long Beach police are ready to give him another number— a case number. Thind is charged with one count of an attempted lewd act on a child.

But what has the police more concerned is the fact that he has a legally registered gun in the trunk of his car, along with a clip  loaded with bullets.

Sgt. Lee DeBrabander: These guys are living in a fantasy world.  They have the fantasy of having sex with a child. And you don’t know how far they’re going to take that fantasy. 

And they may have the fantasy of going out in a blaze of glory. And they may have a fantasy of harming somebody when they go out.  You just don’t know.

Later, Thind pleaded not guilty.

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