Prominent men caught in Petaluma sting

PETALUMA, CALIF. — We set up a house where a young teen is supposed to be home alone. Like moths to a flame, potential sex predators can’t stay away.

That is of course until they see me.

Even though millions of people have seen our series and we’ve caught 150 men, in this latest investigation, our seventh one,  we have one of our largest turnouts ever. 

29 men show up at this upscale house in Petaluma, California in just three days. We’ve rigged it with hidden cameras—the street, driveway, garage, alley and every inch of the backyard are covered.  But our guests have no idea they’re being recorded.

Inside the house, members of the online watchdog group Perverted-Justice are in chat rooms posing as young teens. Dateline has paid the organization a consulting fee. The PJ members are pretending to be 12- and 13-year-olds who are interested in sex and whose parents are away.

If a man in a chat room hits on one of the decoys and proposes sex, he’ll be given the address of this house and invited over.

Dateline hired an 18-year-old actress to play the part of the 12- or 13-year-old home alone...and the men seem happy to see her.

Like 30-year-old Jaswinder Cheema, a sales manager for a large electronics company. Online he calls himself “xclusivelyinit.”  He hit on a Perverted-Justice decoy posing as a 13-year-old in a Yahoo chat room. He tells the girl, “I could probably teach you a few things.  The decoy says, “Yeah like what?” and he responds “Hmmm like you know some positions and moves. Then he says he likes soft sensual kissing— “See I like to make love.”

Decoy: Sit down for me.

Jaswinder Cheema: Let me see you.

Decoy: I’m gonna go change into my... well, hang on.  You gotta be patient...

Chris Hansen (Dateline correspondent): What, no hug for me?

Cheema: I’m sorry?

Hansen: Why don’t you have a seat right over there for me.

Cheema: Oh, no.

Hansen: Oh, no what?  Come on. 

Cheema: I’m sorry.

Hansen: You’re sorry for what?

Cheema: I think I know what this is. I’m not for that, seriously.

Hansen: What is it?

Cheema: You’re probably gonna arrest me?

Hansen: I’m not gonna arrest you, no.

Cheema: Cops will probably.

Hansen: I’m not a cop.

Cheema: I know.  I’m sorry.  I’m not here really to do anything though.

He claims the girl he was coming to meet is 19, despite the fact that the decoy says she’s thirteen, not once but twice.

Hansen: I’ve got entire transcript here.  And no place does it say that she’s 19.  I mean, you can go through it.  If you find it you can tell me.

Cheema: No, no.  I believe you.  How old did she say she was?

Hansen: 13.

Cheema: Wow. Are you serious?

Hansen: She says that right off the get go here.

Cheema: I was actually home at that time really drunk.

Hansen: Right.

Cheema: I probably didn’t even pay attention to that.

Hansen: So you didn’t even notice that she was 13.

Cheema: I didn’t.

Hansen: Yeah.

Hansen: And how old are you?

Cheema: I’m 20-- actually, 28?  Yeah.

Actually he’s 30 years old.

Hansen: She says she’s 13.  You say, “Well, I never met anyone your age.”

Cheema: I’m on—I’m on video?

Hansen: I’m sorry?

Cheema: I’m on video?

Hansen: Right now?  Yes, you are.

Cheema: Can we turn that off, please?

Hansen: No, we can’t.

Cheema: Where’s the police?  I know what’s going to happen.

It turns out “xclusivelyinit” knows exactly what he’s just walked into.

Cheema: I’ve watched your show on Dateline.  I would never do that.

Hansen: So you’ve seen the show and you showed up here anyway.

Cheema: I didn’t know she was 13. I’m sorry.

Hansen: Come on, though.  But it says right there.

Cheema: Could you please turn the camera off?

Hansen: I cannot do that.

Instead I remind him who I am...

Hansen: I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC.

And the big cameras come out.  Because he’s seen our reports he knows what happens next.

Cheema: The cops are here. 

That’s correct. Perverted-Justice is working with the Petaluma police department providing chat logs and other evidence needed for law enforcement to arrest any suspect who show up at the house.

Cheema: Well, I mean, I know the police is gonna arrest me.  So where do you want me to go and be arrested?  I can explain to the police. I mean, look at me.  Do you think I would do something like that?  I’m very professional.

Hansen: Well, if you want to go, you should go out the same way you came.

The police are staked out in the garage of the house next door. As a man exists the backyard, law enforcement moves in and then makes the arrest.

Cheema: I’m here, officer.

Police officer: Alright.  Step on out.  Step on out.  Step on out.  Hands up.  Hand it up.

Cheema: I’m here.

Police officer: Keep your hands up.

He’s taken to a booking station, where he’s photographed and later interviewed by a detective. He continues to insist that he thought the girl was 19.

Cheema: I was drinking at that time and I didn’t really pay attention.  Wow, she’s 13. If I was awake and I had known, I would not be here.

His chat lasts three days. Was he drunk the whole time? Then he comes up with something we’ve never heard before--  the “I know all about ‘To Catch a Predator’ defense.”

Cheema: I mean, you can talk to Chris, I said, “I know who you are.  I’ve seen the show many, many times."  I mean, we talk about it at work.  I would never do anything like that. Why am I being arrested?  I haven’t really done anything.  Don’t you think I should—

Police officer: Because we prevented it. We prevented it from happening.

Cheema: So why am I still arrested though?

Police officer: Because you came up here to prey on a 13-year-old girl.

Cheema: I know but that part is over.  Whatever happened, I mean, don’t you think I should be let go now?

Police officer: So you can go find another 13-year-old?  I have a responsibility.  I’m responsible to keep my community safe—

Cheema: You’re right.  I can see where you’re coming from.

Police officer: So please understand where I’m coming from.

Cheema: I understand.  I didn’t think about that.  You’re right.

He’s taken over to the Sonoma County jail where he’ll remain until he posts $30,000 bail.

The next men you’ll meet have taken an oath to serve our country—now they’ll be taken away in handcuffs.

Decoy (on hidden camera): --You made it. Have a seat.  I made some frozen lemonade.

Joseph Louis Roisman: Very cool.

Decoy: Yeah, you like lemonade?

Roisman: I do.

This man traveled more than five hours to visit a girl he’s never met before—at least not in person. He started chatting online with her just last night, then he took a bus and a cab to get here. He thinks the girl he’s meeting is thirteen.

Decoy: So, have a seat.  I’ll be right back. 

He was really talking to a decoy from the online watchdog group Perverted-Justice.  He’s Joseph Roisman—a military man, currently enlisted in the Navy. Online the 21-year-old calling himself “joseph_roisman2000” tells the decoy that he’s completely shaved in his private area explaining, “What girl wants (hair) in her mouth right?” The decoy says, “I know I don’t” and he responds, “Well you don’t have to worry then.”

Decoy: Guess what? I’m gonna change into my suit. That sound good to you?

Roisman: That really sounds—yeah. I don’t have a suit though.

Decoy: That’s okay.  You don’t really need one.

Roisman: Good deal.

Decoy: Yeah.  (laughs)  Sounds great.  It’s really warm. I turned it on a couple a hours ago.

Roisman: Sweet.

As he starts taking off his clothes, he goes in search of the decoy ... instead he finds me.

Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent (walks out):  Keep your hands outta your pocket for me.

Roisman: Okay.

Hansen: Okay.  Now why don’t you go sit down—over on the other side of the bar, please.  Right on that stool. Can have a seat.  Go ahead, you can put your shirt on or something.  What was your plan?

Roisman: Just—I don’t know.  Talk. Be friends.

Hansen: Talk. Be friends.

Roisman: As long as we’re friends, that’s fine.  As long as I don’t—you know, cross that line.

Hansen: But you talked about having sex with her in the chat.

Roisman: We did discuss oral sex, but I...

Hansen: (reading from transcript) “I want to wrestle you so freakin’ bad.”  “Wrestle me?”  “I’d let you win just so I could feel you on top of me.”  “*it—I wanna see you so bad.”

Roisman: Honest mistake.

Hansen: Honest mistake.

Roisman: This is my first time doing this.

Hansen: If she would’ve let you, you would a had sex with the girl?

Roisman: With her? No.

Hansen: Do you know that it’s illegal to solicit someone who’s underage, online for sex?

Roisman: Yes.

Hansen: But it seems as though that is what you did here.  I mean, you could see how someone would draw that conclusion.

Roisman: Yes.

Hansen: Okay.  So, what do you think should happen to you? 

Roisman: I’m not sure. 

Hansen: Well—there’s something you gotta know.  And that is, I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, and we’re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online for sex. 

Roisman: There’s nothing else for me to say.

Hansen: Okay.

Roisman: Thank you very much. 

This man’s long journey is about to get even longer.  As he leaves the backyard and enters the garage he’s arrested, then taken to this booking station, photographed and brought in for questioning.

Officer Wade: Did you know this girl was 13 when you first started talking to her?

Roisman: Yes.

Officer Wade: Did you guys talk about the possibility of her giving a blow job whenever you were talking to her on the Internet?

Roisman: I mentioned oral sex, yes.

Officer Wade: Which would lead a reasonable person to believe that that might have been in the back of your mind, thinking about—

Roisman: Oh yeah, it was definitely in the back of my mind.

Officer Wade: So what would have prevented that from happening if there hadn’t a been somewhere there to intervene?

Roisman: Self-control.

He tells the officer several times that he would not have done anything sexual with a 13-year-old but finally he admits...

Roisman: I would have liked a blow job, yes. Nothin’ more.

There were a total of three military men caught in this investigation. Last week we introduced you to a Marine Corps sniper who showed up with a shot gun in his trunk.

Now here comes another Marine...

Decoy: Hey.  There you are.  I’m glad you made it.  Look, I made some lemonade.  You can sit down.

He’s 25-year-old Yancy Wallace—a newlywed.  He and his wife, who happens to be in theAirforce, have only been married for two months. Using the screen name "persuasion2032" in a Yahoo chat room, he hits on a girl who says she’s 13 and a virgin. He tells her he wants to give her oral sex and says “Ill make it feel really good for you hun”  and later adds “ill just be your secret lover.”

Decoy:  I wanted to get into something sexier for you, and I was thinking it’d be really, really hot if you got in the hot tub and waited for me.  Does that sound okay?

Yancy Wallace: I didn’t bring nothing to swim in.

Hansen: How you doing?  Why don’t you have a seat right over there on the other side of the bar.

Wallace:  Okay.

We know from what he said online that he’s seen Dateline’s “To Catch a Predator” before.  But he told the decoy he thought she’s for real saying “I believe in you hun.”

Hansen: Please have a seat on the stool there for me.  What are you up to?

Wallace: Looks like a lot a trouble.

Hansen: A lot a trouble. How so?

Wallace: Because I’m stupid.

Hansen: ‘Cause you’re stupid.

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: Why are you stupid?

Wallace: Because of what I was doing.

Hansen: What were you doing?

Wallace: Being dumb.

He says that he’s in the Marine Corps Infinity Division.

Hansen: Were you over in Iraq?

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: Tough duty.

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: What’s your assignment now?

Wallace: —jail.

Hansen: Jail.  Now what’s a guy, who serves his country so bravely, doing getting himself in a situation like this?

Wallace: I wasn’t thinking.

Hansen: But here’s the thing. Here’s the kicker to this whole thing, Yancy.  In the conversation you say this—“I just hope this isn’t all too good to be true.  Hehe.”

Wallace: I—

Hansen: “I think the same thing,” she says, “like you’re not gonna come or something.”

Wallace: I wasn’t—

Hansen:  (reading from transcript) “I am.  Hehe.  I watched Dateline the other night about guys going to meet a younger girl and they all went to jail.”

Wallace: And look at me.

Hansen: And look at you.

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: So, you’ve seen the show.

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: What’d you think about the show when you saw it?

Wallace: I don’t know why I’m here.

Hansen: I mean, don’t you think that would’ve been a little bit of a warning?

Wallace: Yes, sir.  Can—please—

Hansen: Just relax.

Wallace: Well, sir, I don’t wanna do this. I didn’t think it was for real.  I just thought it was all a game online.

Hansen: Now there’s not a lot of ambiguity here.  You told her not to tell anyone.

Wallace: Can I just go to jail, sir? You guys win.  There’s nothing I can or do.

Hansen: (reading from transcript) “I’ll just be your secret lover.”

Wallace: There’s not a single thing I can say or do, sir.

Hansen: Well, what do you think should happen to you, Yancy?

Wallace: I could say, “Lesson learned,” be on my way.  I could say, “Kick me in the ass,” but I’m in so much trouble anyways, it doesn’t matter.

Hansen: What do you think would’ve happened had there been a 13-year-old girl here, and the two of you were alone?

Wallace: Nothing.  I was too scared. 

Hansen: Well, you know what happens next.

Wallace: Yes, sir.  I’ll go to jail.

Hansen: I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and obviously you suspected we’re doing a story on—

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: Adults meeting teens on the Internet.

Wallace: Yes, sir.

Hansen: Is there anything else you’d like to tell us?

Wallace: No, sir.

As he makes his way out of the backyard, he knows his time left as a free man is extremely short.

After he’s booked and photographed, he’s read his rights and agrees to talk to police.

Officer Hector Tabarra: You told her yourself.  I actually saw this happen on television.

Wallace: Yes sir.

Officer Tabarra: And it was a set-up.  Why did you come if it wasn’t to have sex with a 13-year-old girl?

Wallace: Just, you know, I was being naive.  I didn’t think it would actually happen. I just ruined my entire life over something I knew was wrong.  There’s no explanation.  There’s no excuses.  Everything I’ve worked for up until now and here on out is destroyed.  Because—

Officer Tabarra: ‘Cause you wanted to have sex with a 13-year-old girl.

Wallace: ‘Cause I didn’t use my head.

While several men from the military showed up, there were even more men from Silicon Valley, like computer engineers. They’re men so intelligent, you’d think they’d know better.

Decoy: Hey!

Anaraj Tuari: Hey.

Decoy: Come on in!  You made it.

Tuari: I did.

29-year-old Anaraj Tuari is here to keep his date with a girl who told him she was 13. They met online less than a week ago. She invited him over and told him she would be home alone today and ready for sex.

Decoy: Yeah, come on in the back.  I made us some frozen lemonade.

Tuari: You did?

Decoy: Yeah.  Hey, did you bring condoms?

Tuari: Yeah.

Decoy: Oh, cool.

Using the screen name “indianman76,” he tells the decoy he would give her oral sex because she is “young and fresh.” Then he asks “Do you like anal?” The decoy says “I never done that.” He responds, “want to do it?”

He seems pretty surprised when I walk out.

Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent (walking out): How are you tonight?

Tuari: Good.

Hansen: Good.  Go ahead, have a seat, please. 

Tuari: Well I had no intention of doing anything.  I mean I don’t have anything here with me.

Hansen: Well you just said you brought condoms.

Tuari: I mean it’s not for here for anything.

Hansen: Where is it for? You’re here.

Tuari: I’m here.  I told—

Hansen: The condoms are here.

Tuari: I told her I just—

Hansen: The girl is here.

Tuari: I told her I just wanna meet her and you know, go out for something to eat or—

Hansen: You said you brought condoms.  And now you say, you didn’t bring condoms.

Tuari: I don’t have condoms here with me.

Hansen: Do you have them in your car?

Tuari: No. In the car, maybe.  I don’t know.

In fact, he does have condoms in his car.   When I remind him what he wrote online to a girl pretending to be 13, he says it’s all a big misunderstanding.

Hansen: (reading transcript) “I would love to eat you there.”

Tuari: That was not me.  That—

Hansen: That was not you?

Tuari: that was my friend.

Hansen: That was your friend.  You say, “Do you like anal?”

Tuari: That was again my friend.  That was not me.

Hansen: And who’s your friend?  What’s his name?

Tuari: Someone. You know, there was a party going on.  And someone logged into my computer.

Hansen: You say that you can do it hard and fast, “put her legs on your shoulders and do it hard.”

Tuari: Well that’s my friend again.

Hansen: She says, “What’s your first name?”  The answer is, “Anaraj.”  That’s your name.

Tuari: Yeah, he used my name.  I don’t know why.

Hansen: He did.  Now how did you know that your friend did all this?  Did you watch him do it?

Tuari: No, I don’t know.  I mean that’s—

Hansen: First of all you say your friend did it.  Then you say you don’t know the friend’s name.  And then you say there were a bunch of people at a party, but you weren’t there.

Tuari: Yeah.

Hansen: So how do you know that this all happened if you weren’t there?

Tuari: There were so many guys in my apartment—

Hansen: And when did the party take place?

Tuari: Last week.

Hansen: You know there’s more than one conversation here, and more than one reference to sex.  So either you had a party over a several day period and people had control of your computer, or you’re telling me a big fat lie.

Tuari: Well first of all, I wanna know who you are and—

Hansen: You wanna know who I am?  I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online for sex.  Now if there’s anything else you’d like to tell me—

Tuari: No, I don’t want—

Hansen: Otherwise, obviously you can walk right out the door you came in.

Then he leaves the backyard and is arrested. Somehow the story about someone else using his computer doesn’t come up once he’s sitting in front of a police officer.

Police Officer Robert Barnes: You’re asking a 13-year-old if she’s a virgin.  You ask her if she likes to go down.

Tuari: That was a first conversation—

Officer Barnes: I know, and then you also even asked her in that first conversation, “You ever been with an older man?”  Did you wanna be that older man to teach her?

Tuari: No.  I would definitely, definitely not do anything with a 13-year-old girl.

Officer Barnes: Why did you ask her if she liked anal sex?

Tuari:  That was a stupid question.  I just—out of curiosity, out of sheer curiosity. I’m a well-respected man in society, detective.

Officer Barnes: Okay.

Tuari: I have a Ph.D. degree in computer engineering.

Officer  Barnes: Okay. Is there anything else you’d like to add?

Tuari: Is there any chance I can go tonight?

Officer Barnes: You’ll be going to Sonoma County Jail tonight unless you can post the bail.

And they’ll be more respected men arriving at our house for a date with a young girl. Like 31-year-old Chandra Nunna, a computer engineer. And he appears to know what he’s doing is wrong.

Chandra Nunna: I hope I’m not—

Decoy: What?

Nunna: I hope I’m not trouble for this.

What could possibly have this man so worried? Perhaps a sexually explicit online chat he had with someone who told him she was 13, and then trying to meet her?

Nunna: Hi.

Hansen: Hi, how are you?

Nunna: Good.

Hansen: How are the strawberries?

Nunna: Sorry this is not what it’s supposed to mean.

Hansen: What’s “it” supposed to mean?

Nunna: I was—I thought she was alone, but without her family, so I thought I’d just get her some coffee.

He tells me he was concerned about the girl because she told him she was home alone.  He says he only came over to check on her and bring her coffee.

Hansen: So you wanted to come over and keep an eye on her—

Nunna: No, just—

Hansen: —help her out, make sure she was safe.

Nunna: Well, probably. I’m not the kind of guy that you’re talking about. No.

But if that’s true, why, when he was chatting with her online,  did he tell the decoy he was worried about meeting a 13-year-old?

Hansen: “I can go to jail for being with a minor.”

Nunna: Yeah I told her because she keeps asking to come out—

Hansen: You say, “I’m being careful.”

Nunna: Exactly because all I wanted to do was probably be like a big brother or something, nothing more than that.

Nunna: Something like... you know.

Hansen: “You know if I hang out with you and someone catches us I will go to jail.  I will be called a pedophile.”

Nunna:  Yeah, exactly.

Nunna: Like I said, why I asked her if she wanted some coffee or if she wanted to get some food.

Hansen: She says, “Have you met anyone on here?”  You say, “A few. Dated one. Had sex with a couple.”

Nunna: Yeah. I had a girlfriend that I met online and that’s about it. Nobody underage.

Hansen: So this is the first time that you met somebody online who was underage?

Nunna: Yes. I just wanted to make sure she’s all right.  There was some sex talking around sure, but she was the one who started it, to be very honest.  And I was—

Hansen: The 13-year-old girl started it?  So it’s not your fault then, right?

Nunna: But no, no, no, like I said, I think of—once I even told her, “You know you are 13 and you can’t even consent to have sex.”

But that didn’t stop him from asking the girl if she gives oral sex.

Hansen: So what part of the counseling process was the oral sex going to play?

Nunna: I was not—like I said, I’m not the kind of—

Hansen: Look, these are your words.

Nunna: Because, like I said, you know, she’s the one who led me on all this time I’m just playing around.

Hansen: (reading from chat transcript) “I am being very bad like a pervert.”  Then you say, “I want to give it to you deep and hard.”

Nunna: What?

Hansen: “But maybe you will bleed a lot for the first time.” 

Nunna: No. Honestly no.

Hansen: She says, “So you’ll be careful right?”  “Very.” Then you say, “I kind of have a big one.”  She says, “Big one what?”  “You know the man thing.”  “Ooh.”

Nunna: I was just—she was playing and I was playing, I guess, that’s all about it, honestly. You know, I’m looking at your eyes straight, I’m telling you the truth,  my conflict of coming here was to make sure she was okay.

Hansen: Well, I’m looking you strait in the eyes and I’m gonna tell you the truth.  I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who try meet teens online.

Nunna: Okay.

Hansen: If there’s anything else you’d like to tell us we’d be happy to hear it, if not you’re obviously free to go.

Nunna:  If there are really kids like that, the parents should not leave them home alone and probably guys like me should just call the law officers next time and not, you know—

Hansen: Try to be the Good Samaritan?

Nunna: Exactly.

Hansen: Okay.

And like all the others who’ve shown up at our house, the man who claims he’s really just a Good Samaritan gets arrested.

And he sticks to that story when he’s questioned by Jeff Shinkolf from the Department of Justice.

Nunna: That’s why I told her, “I don’t want to come into the house.  I just want to see if you’re okay, and give you the coffee, and go.”  That was my all intention.  That’s all.

Officer: Here it says, “I am just having problem convincing myself it’s okay to be with a minor.”

Nunna: Because she kept asking me, and I told her, “It’s not right.”  And I told her “There’s not at all—it’s wrong thing.”

Officer: She’s not asking you for sex here.  I read it.

Nunna: See that—I mean, should read the whole thing.  It’s see like you—

Officer: I’ve read the entire thing. And nowhere—

Nunna: I mean, the—

Officer: Does it say—

Nunna: I think it’s intention that—

Officer: She has never asked for sex.

Nunna: Jeff, that’s the mistake I made.  I listened to my good side of seeing if someone was okay, and I think I’m gonna pay a price for it and I know what it is. 

More men keep coming to our undercover house. 23-year-old Juan Carlos Gutierrez is a used car salesman.  He’s a little late for his date with a girl who told him she was thirteen.

Decoy: Oh hey!  You made it.

Carlos Gutierrez: Yeah, how you doin’?

Decoy: Good.  How are you?  Hey, take a seat. Pour me a glass.

Online he calls himself “elchiva8395020” and he wastes no time getting to the point. Within minutes he asks the decoy posing as a 13-year-old virgin if he can come over.  And then asks “So its ok that I wont to (blank) you hard?”  Then he sends a photo album: 12 pictures of his genitals.

Decoy: I’m gonna go change my bathing suit, ‘cause I wanna get in the hot tub later maybe.  So just pour me a glass.  Take a seat.

Gutierrez: Are you sure?

Decoy: Yeah, I’ll be just out in a minute.

Gutierrez:  Can I see you?

Decoy: I’ll be out in a minute.

Chris Hansen, Dateline correspondent, walks out: You can see me.

Gutierrez: Oh hi.

Hansen: Hi, how are you?  Why don’t have a seat right over there?

Gutierrez: No problem.

Hansen: What are you up to?

Gutierrez: Nothing.  Just coming to see how she looks.

He’s another man who says he’s not certain of the girl’s age.

Hansen: You take a look and show me where it says, 14, 15.

Gutierrez: 13.

Hansen: Thirteen, there we go.

Gutierrez: Yeah, there we go.

Hansen: Yeah, yeah.  Your memory’s better now.

Gutierrez: Yeah.

He may have temporarily forgotten how old she said she was, but he does remember the photo album he sent?

Hansen: Now do you remember sending all this stuff to her?

Gutierrez: Yes, I do.

Hansen: Yeah, yeah.

Gutierrez: Yes, that was me.

Hansen: All right. That was you.

Gutierrez: Yes.

Hansen: And why did you think that was a good idea, a smart thing to do?

Gutierrez: Actually, I don’t know.  I didn’t have no idea.

Then he lies about his own age. As we mentioned earlier he’s 23.

Gutierrez: I’m 18, to be honest.

Hansen: You’re 18?  That’s not what you said online.

Gutierrez: I probably said 23, right.

Hansen: You did.

Gutierrez: No, I’m 18.

Hansen: Yeah.  And why would you say 23 there and tell me 18?

Gutierrez: I thought they like older guys, I don’t know.

Hansen: Can I see your driver’s license?

Gutierrez: I actually don’t have one.

He says his friend Ramon dropped him off.

Hansen: And where’s Ramon now?

Gutierrez: He said he was gonna go to The Round Table.

Hansen: The Round Table.

Gutierrez: Yes.

That’s his story—his friend drove the car and then headed off to a local restaurant.  But he doesn’t realize how much we already know.

Hansen: Now what kinda car do you have?

Gutierrez: Well, I have a ‘96 Honda Prelude.

Hansen: Okay, and you didn’t drive that car here and park it down the street?

Gutierrez: N-okay, yes, I did.

Hansen: Oh you did?

Gutierrez: Yes.

Hansen: Okay.  And so you really do have a driver’s license now?

Gutierrez: No, I don’t.  It’s suspended.

Hansen: It’s suspended?

Gutierrez: Yes.

Hansen: I see.

Gutierrez: Yeah, yeah.

Hansen: Okay.  So you just drove over here anyway even though you have a suspended license?

Gutierrez: No, I just—was curious how she looked and—

Gutierrez: Actually, I was kinda nervous.  I was just gonna talk to her.

But the pornographic photos he sent and his obscene chat log make it hard to believe he was just coming here to talk.

Hansen:  “But it’s okay with you that I love having sex?  It’s okay that I want to blank you hard?”

Gutierrez: Yes, that’s right.

Hansen: “You wanna see my blank?”

Gutierrez: Right.

Hansen: “You wanna see how it looks?”

Gutierrez: That’s right.

Hansen: You don’t think you would have tried to have sex with her?

Gutierrez: No—well, I don’t know honestly.

Hansen: Do you see a problem with what you’re doing here tonight?

Gutierrez: Yes, I do.

Hansen: And what’s the problem, Carlos?

Gutierrez: She’s underage.

Hansen: She’s underage.

Gutierrez: Yes, definitely.

Hansen: It looks like you came here to take advantage of this girl.

Gutierrez: Yeah, that’s the way it looks.  Yes.  Yes.  It definitely looks that way.

Hansen: Well what should happen to you?

Gutierrez: I’m banished from Internet. (laughs)

Hansen: Banished from the Internet?

Gutierrez: Yeah, well—

Hansen: Do you have a little problem, being addicted to the Internet?

Gutierrez: Actually, yes.

Hansen: Yes?

Gutierrez: Yes. I just love talking, I don’t know.

Hansen: Love talking?

Gutierrez: Yes.

Hansen: Well you love talking here, that’s for sure.

Gutierrez: Yes, that’s right.  Yeah.  That’s my problem.

Hansen: —I gotta tell you somethin’, because I am Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and—

Gutierrez: Okay.

Hansen: We’re doing a story on adults meeting teens online for sex.

Gutierrez: Okay, cool.

Hansen: If there’s anything else you’d like to tell me, I’d like to hear it.

Gutierrez: No.

Gutierrez: No, that’s—wow, you taped me?  That’s crazy.

Hansen: Yeah.

Gutierrez: I never thought it was gonna (laughs) happen, and obviously it’s never gonna happen again. And I’m very sorry.  (laughs)  And—I’m totally so…Have a great day.

Hansen: Okay.

Gutierrez: So I can just walk out?  No problem?

Hansen: On your way.

Gutierrez: Thank you.  Have a good day. 

He obviously doesn’t know what’s about to happen next.

And any further attempts to come up with imaginative cover stories vanish in the presence of the police.

Det. Barnes: Alright?  Did you send her any photos—

Gutierrez: Yes, I did.

Det. Barnes: —of you?

Gutierrez: Yes.

Det. Barnes: Is that you?

Gutierrez: Yes.

Det. Barnes: You know it’s another crime to send lewd images to a child.

Gutierrez: Yeah.

Det. Barnes: Can’t do that.

Gutierrez: I know.

Det. Barnes: Do you know if it’s a crime to have sex with a girl that’s 13 years old?

Gutierrez: Yes, I do.

Det. Barnes: You knew it was a crime to do that?  Then why’d you come here?

Gutierrez: I was stupid.

Det. Barnes: You were stupid?

Gutierrez: Yeah.

Det. Barnes: You know, ‘cause, you know, based on reading this, you know, I know you came here to have sex with her.

Gutierrez: Right.

He’s charged with two felonies: one for sending the photos of his genitals and another for attempting to meet a 13-year-old for sex.

So far you’ve met men in the military, men in the computer industry.

But if there was a top ten list of most respected members of the community, a cancer doctor would probably be way up there.

Decoy: Hey, you made it. Come on back.

Maurice Wolin: Yeah, please.  How are you?

Decoy: Good, how are you?  So, not bad of a drive?

Wolin: Naw, well, not too bad.

Decoy: Oh, take a seat. I made some drinks.  I made frozen lemonade.

Wolin: Thank you.

Maurice Wolin is 48 years old, married and a prominent San Francisco physician. It’s hard to believe that someone of his stature would show up to meet a girl who said she was 13 and then follow her into the backyard where she invites him to go in her hot tub. 

Decoy: Pour me a drink.  I’m actually gonna put on my suit so maybe we can get in the hot tub ‘cause it’s all warm.

He met the girl online three days earlier. The person he was chatting with was really a Perverted Justice decoy pretending to be 13.  Using the screen name “talldreamy_doc” he lies and says he’s 29 year old. Remember, he’s really 48.  He asks the girl, “What bra size you wear?” She says "30b but it’s kinda big on me right now i’m still growing."

He replies, “I will kiss them.” He goes into graphic detail about giving and receiving oral sex and later says “I’m so horny for you.” and asks her to masturbate while thinking of him.   He tells her several times he “could get into trouble” --  but it isn’t enough to stop him from coming over and helping himself to a drink.

Wolin: I can’t-- (spills) oh, geez, I’ll get a rag.

Decoy: So where you coming from?

Wolin: San Francisco.

Decoy: Oh, okay.  Oh yeah, so there probably was a lot traffic, huh?

Decoy: Yeah there’s a towel on the chair.

We’ll never know what would have happened next because as the doctor looks for a towel, he spots Dateline’s camera crew.

Wolin: Okay, I gotta take off.

Decoy: What?

Hansen: Sir?  Sir?

Wolin: Yeah?

Hansen: I need to talk to you for a minute.

He runs—but he doesn’t get very far.

And like all the other men caught in this investigation, he’s brought to this booking station.

Wolin: What am I being booked for?

Officer: We’ll explain all of that to you.

Wolin: Can I call my wife?

Officer: You can do that after this booking procedure.

The police ask routine personal questions, but the doctor appears on the verge of panic. Nothing’s sinking in.

Officer: He’s failing to comprehend.

Wolin: I’m not failing to comprehend.  I’m just really scared.

Officer: There’s nothing to be scared about. 

Wolin: I’ve never done anything beyond a traffic ticket.  I feel like I made a mistake, but I feel like I didn’t do anything.

And he’s not happy about seeing our cameras.

Wolin:  I’m in handcuffs.  I have pictures being taken of me.  Left and right.  I don’t know what I’m being accused of.

He’s then taken in for questioning by Detective Steve Nelson of the Petaluma Police Department.

Det. Steve Nelson: First thing I’m gonna do is explain to you your Miranda rights.  Okay?  You have the right to remain silent.

At first the doctor agrees to talk.

Det. Steve Nelson: So like to talk about what happened today. 

But he quickly changes his mind.

Det. Nelson: What screen name do you use?

Wolin: I really need to have an attorney I think present.

Det. Nelson: Okay.  Okay.

But despite asking for an attorney, he chooses to keep talking...

Det. Nelson: Okay?  I’m not gonna discuss this further because I can’t.  Okay?  Unless you wanna waive your right to have an attorney present.

The detective asks him four more times if he’s waiving his right to an attorney and each time he says yes and continues to talk.

Wolin: I’m scared out of my mind.

Det. Nelson: Right.  And I understand that.

Wolin: You saw my record.  I’ve never done anything wrong in my life.

Det. Nelson: Okay.

Wolin: And now I’m being charged with very serious offenses.

Det. Nelson: Why did you come to he house in Petaluma today?

Wolin: I was curious.

Det. Nelson: Okay.  Curious about what?

Wolin: I chatted with someone online.  She asked to meet me on several occasions.  I declined.  And today again she asked.  I had a little bit of time, not very much.

Det. Nelson: Okay.

Wolin: And so I thought I would come out and meet her and nothing more.

Det. Nelson: Okay.  How old was the person you were chatting with?

Wolin: I’m not sure. I know she was young and I know that—

Det. Nelson: Under 18?

Wolin: I’m not sure.

Det. Nelson: Did you talk to her about “touching and kissing and making each other feel good”?

Wolin: I remember she’s saying that she had trouble finding somebody to make her feel good.

Det. Nelson: Okay.

Wolin: I was playing with her.

Det. Nelson: And then you typed to her “I wouldn’t stop until you came over and over.”

Wolin: Remember saying that.

Det. Nelson: Then you talked to her about kissing her chest?

Wolin: I don’t remember.

Det. Nelson: And then you told her, “No I’m real but you’re under 18 and I’m over.  We would have to be so careful.”

Wolin: I don’t remember saying that.  But I told her that she needed to be—I was concerned about her.  She needed to be careful.

Det. Nelson: So you commented about her body lookin’ pretty—

Wolin: Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah.  Yeah.

Det. Nelson: Okay.

Wolin: I don’t remember.

Det. Nelson: And then you asked her what bra size she wore?  And she said, “30 B but it kinda big on me right now.  I’m still growin’.”

Wolin: I don’t remember her saying that.

Wolin: I don’t remember. The only reason I came today I was curious that I wasn’t going to do anything.  And if you read that you can tell that over and over again I said that both I shouldn’t come.  She should be careful.

Det. Nelson: But I’m also reading, I mean correct me if I’m wrong, you’re talking about you want her to take your pants off.

Det. Nelson: You talk about you know, “What will you wear?”  “I don’t know what—whatever—whatever’s clean.  Something sexy.”  Then you said, “Will you take it off for me?”  And then you ask her then, “Do you want her to take your pants off also?”

Wolin: It was just wa—

Det. Nelson: And, “You can—you can take mine off if you want.”

Wolin: I wasn’t so—

Det. Nelson: How do you wanna do it?

Wolin: I wasn’t going to do anything. It was not appropriate. Officer Nelson, I shouldn’t have talked to her.  You’re right.  I wasn’t—

Det. Nelson: Okay.

Wolin:  --going to do anything with her.

Det. Nelson: So you drove 40 minutes from Piedmont to meet a 13-year-old—

Wolin: I didn’t know she was 13.

Nelson: --that nothing would’ve happened.

Wolin: That’s right.

Det. Nelson: And you expect me to believe that?

Wolin: It’s true.

Det. Nelson: After you talk about having—

Wolin: It’s the truth.

Det. Nelson: --different sexual—

Wolin: It’s the truth.

Det. Nelson: --acts with her?

Dr. Wolin: It’s the truth.  She begged me to come.  And I know that doesn’t make it right but I never would’ve done anything.

Det. Nelson: Okay.  All right.  The time’s approximately 14:38 and I conclude the interview.

He’s taken out of the interrogation room, an officer dials the doctor’s wife and hands him the phone.

Wolin (on the phone with his wife): “Honey, I’m in big trouble, I’ll explain. You have to bail me out of Sonoma county jail. $30,000 check. It was a sting operation, ill explain it to you later. Don’t bring the girls. I need you so badly just come… I didn’t do anything, but I did something stupid.”

As the Petaluma police book the last of the men arrested in this operation, the total number of suspected sex predators exposed by Dateline over two years rises to 179.

And the attention our investigations receive has grown as well— all the way to Capitol Hill.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (in session): Over the course of a three day sting operation in Riverside California, Dateline was able to nab 50 Internet child sex predators.

But in the last week, the issue of online sexual misconduct was in the spotlight in Washington for a whole different reason.  Congressman Mark Foley, the man who championed the Child Protection Act of 2006 resigned after inappropriate e-mails and instant messages surfaced that he sent to former Congressional pages.

On February 6 of this year, Foley went on Scarborough Country on MSNBC to talk about this very issue.

Joe Scarborough, MSNBC Host:  Hey, Mark, are you telling me that courts in this country are saying, it’s a pervert’s right to send an e-mail to a 14-year-old kid?

Then-Rep. Mark Foley: As frightening as that seems, we have been foiled, if you will, by the courts repeatedly by using the First Amendment and people’s rights to have free speech. That’s why we have tried to toughen the laws. That’s why we tried to create a more difficult time for predators to roam free.

And Foley even praised Dateline.

Foley: The “Dateline” piece has probably done more than any law we can create. Hopefully more people will be forewarned.

Ironically, adding—

Foley: And, certainly, more people that have seen this segment that may be thinking about interacting with a child may go ahead and get mental health counseling.

The Foley story continues to develop. Foley himself has checked into rehab. No one has been charged with any crime.

In the meantime, get ready for our next edition of “To Catch A Predator” — a new city, a new house but incredibly, for one man,  it won’t be his first visit.  Eight months ago, the same man showed up at our undercover house in Riverside, Calif. He even told us then that he would never do it again.

Believe it or not in our upcoming investigation— a "second-timer."

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