More involved in Oklahoma City bombing?

NICHOLS: There's more people involved. More than just McVeigh and him.

COSBY: Do you believe that there are several others involved beyond your father and Timothy McVeigh?

NICHOLS: I do believe, I do believe. I don't know the number, but I believe there was more involvement somewhere else. They should be looking somewhere else also.

COSBY: Do you believe your dad is worried for his safety and that of his family?

NICHOLS: I know he is. I know he is. There's been threats on me. There's been threats on my mom. Every day there's threats in prison against his life.

COSBY: What would you want to say to Congress who oversees these federal agencies that you believe may have played a role? If they're watching, what would you want to say to them? Because those are the folks that could reach out to your dad, who could give an independent investigation.

NICHOLS: Take a risk. Every individual if they're labeled a criminal or a terrorist or a bad influence, those people change, don't give up hope on them. Believe in them. People do change and just do the right thing. Respect the truth.

COSBY: Do you believe there was any foreign involvement in the bombing?

NICHOLS: I don't believe so.

COSBY: No Al Qaeda, no Arab tie?

NICHOLS: No, I don't believe so.

COSBY: Any tie in with your dad's trips to the Philippines?

NICHOLS: To my knowledge, no, there wasn't. There could have been but as a child I was not aware of it.

COSBY: Do you believe the others were either belonging to the government or extremists in America?

NICHOLS: Extremists. Extremists can be connected with certain people, certain individuals and certain groups take things to different levels and they believe in different laws and they abide by different things and the people that McVeigh was around with obviously had the same beliefs and nature he did.

COSBY: Do you think your dad knows who John Doe number two is?

NICHOLS: I do. I never said that. I do believe he knows who it is. I believe he does know. I believe since this came out and he let America know and people are aware of his involvement now, he has to know. He has to know who was involved in the things he was involved in.

COSBY: Do you think he's ready to say everything?

NICHOLS: Yes.

COSBY: How so?

NICHOLS: Well, I don't believe he would get - it wouldn't benefit him, as I was saying earlier. It wouldn't get him a lighter sentence, it wouldn't get him a contact visit with a special person. There would be nothing beneficial. Actually, it would make circumstances worse for him by relating what he knows.

COSBY: On April 19, 1995, you were 12 years old. What do you remember from that day?

NICHOLS: What I remember from the 19th of April, 1995 is just the state of shock. Just sorrows, sadness. Things really weren't what I wanted them to be. I wouldn't -

COSBY: Were you at home? I've heard that you were at home with your parents. Were you with your Dad at the time?

NICHOLS: I was on Easter vacation with my father.

COSBY: When, on April 19th?

NICHOLS: No, just before that.  Easter vacation was, I believe, like the 12th through the 16th.

COSBY: OK. Where were you? Were you with him on the 19th?

NICHOLS: No, I wasn't. I was in Vegas. I recall on Easter Sunday we were eating Easter brunch, having a little family dinner.

COSBY: A few days before the bombing.

NICHOLS: A few days before the bombing, on Sunday. And the telephone rang. My dad got up and answered it and it's McVeigh on the phone. McVeigh is screaming at him, just constantly screamed at him.  I heard the conversation over the table and my dad hung up the phone and he just got up and said, I have to go. He got up from Easter dinner and hopped in his pickup and took off.

COSBY: Was that the last time you saw him before...

NICHOLS: No, he came back from wherever he went the following morning but the impression I got from McVeigh was he was threatening him over the phone, by him screaming.

COSBY: What do you think McVeigh was saying to him over the phone days before the bombing?

NICHOLS: To come across to somebody and to make somebody move like my dad moved, he got up and left just like that.

COSBY: And what do you think he said to McVeigh on the phone?

NICHOLS: I believe that's when he brought to my dad's attention what could happen if he didn't do what he said.

COSBY: Do you believe the bombing victims now need to hear the truth about who else may have been involved?

NICHOLS: They deserve the truth. They deserve to hear what happened, what led up to that type of action. It's my belief that the truth, who it may hurt, it needs to be out there. It needs to be talked about.

COSBY: Do you believe the bombing victims especially deserve to know if there are others involved?

NICHOLS: Of course. There shouldn't be no one holding anything back. I wish the circumstances were a little different so my father could say what he has to say but they're not.

COSBY: Do you believe he will though?

NICHOLS: I do. I really do.

COSBY: You actually went to the Oklahoma City bombing memorial.

NICHOLS: I did.

COSBY: People would say why? How was that for you?

NICHOLS: Victim to victim. I share a part of their loss too. Because victims deserve to be honored and respected, especially in the horrific act that happened. On that day so many lives were taken. They deserve that memorial. They deserve to be honored and people to know that what happened was wrong and that they're not forgotten.

COSBY: Is your Dad planning on writing the judge and asking for leniency?

NICHOLS: He is. And I'm fortunate to have my father do that for me because of the fact that I was so over in left field because of what happened to me and the circumstances of the bombing and the effect that it had on me in my life that my father still believes in me, my father still loves me.

COSBY: Do you think your dad writing the judge will have an impact? And what do you think he'll say in the letter?

NICHOLS: I hope it does, I hope it does because his spiritual belief and his understanding of the kind of man I am.

COSBY: Do you think he'll also say, look, it's my fault what happened to my son?

NICHOLS: I believe he will. I really do. For him to make a stand like that it would be very credible and respectable.

NICHOLS: I believe the truth is important so they can have peace and understanding. They need to know what happened, the events that led up to the bombing, they need to know who was involved and they need to be brought to justice.

COSBY: What would you say to Congress tonight?

NICHOLS: If you could just take a risk and provide my father with some safety.  If Congress could do anything to help my father feel a little bit safer, to provide some comfort, hopefully enough comfort to have my father speak and let the truth be known.

COSBY: Do you think it would help you if you knew every detail and knew all the people involved in Oklahoma City. Do you think that would give you some comfort?

NICHOLS: Some type of closure, yes. Some type of closure, it would.

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